Vikings: What does the future hold for Rollo and Gisla?

 

 

Ok, I have a meeting with the Seer and am going to quickly give my guess and prediction for the fated couple…

Seer as counselor  What do you think

I mentioned in yesterday’s post that Gisla is showing her more petulant and pouting spoiled Princess side.

gisla is still a young girl wanting her own way

We have also been made aware of the fact that Rollo has achieved some great recognition and reputation as the Crazed Bear, so I think we can safely assume that Rollo is the Bear that the Seer speaks of and Gisla is the Princess…

sintric  he fights like a crazed bear

sintric he fights like a crazed bear

There was definitely some interest shown by both of them upon seeing each other….but I do think that Rollo will have some personal affront and issue with the fact that she was up on the wall in the first place and the sight of her caused him to nearly kill himself? I also think that Gisla, while she may be somewhat interested in this warrior, is not going to be quite so willing to be married off to him?

gisla watching the battle sees Rollo fighting gisla watching rollo intently rollo's first sight of gisla rollo makes the mistake glancing up from his battel to see gisla watching him

Gisla may have some curious fascination with this wild man, but she is quite vocal and blunt as to how she feels about those Heathens. It was she in fact who was insistent on Odo bringing her Sigfrid’s head if he cared at all for her? Poor Sigfrid’s death was just an attempt to appease her pouting arrogant high handed demands… and she certainly was not above pouting when it did not go quite the way she had envisioned!

Sigfrid listens as Sintric tries to talk his way out of this mess for them

Sigfrid has the last laugh

Sigfrid has the last laugh

gisla is not amused

gisla is not amused

What we need to look at is what else was going on during the “trial” of Sigfrid and Sinric… Odo was so impressed with Rollo’s actions and warrior quality that he insisted on knowing more about this great warrior that fought like a crazed bear and managed to stop their siege machine bare handed!

odo: this man sintric will be of use to us  gisla and this earl

odo: this man sintric will be of use to us gisla and this earl

Rollo is not about to let some machine stop him this time rollo conquering the machine Rollo's Fuck you moment  I said I was going to get in and I meant it

Now, throughout this discussion, Odo tried to get the King’s opinion and decision on what to do… but Charles seemed to engrossed in his own thoughts.

Odo waits for Charles to come up with any form of intelligent decision.

Odo waits for Charles to come up with any form of intelligent decision.

while odo questions  Sinric, charles is thinking on something else

while odo questions Sinric, charles is thinking on something else

Just what is Charles thinking of besides, When is this going be over, this is all so beneath me… Well, here is what he may have been thinking, “What the Devil do I do with this spoiled daughter of mine, she’s starting to get on my nerves.” Then his thoughts wander to the over all predicament they are in and this talk of a Wild Warrior Viking… Charles is tired of all this constant fighting, it’s so annoying and interrupts his naps and his prayer, much like his daughter does on occasion. Hmmm, how to solve this so that I come out looking good? I can not afford to keep paying off these Vikings for very long. And because I am paying off them off all over the country and our coffers are close to empty, I can’t afford to keep this Princess in long dresses let alone pay a dowry for her either… His thoughts ramble on to Odo… if he thinks he is going to marry my daughter and reach even higher in station, he should think again.  He is only here to make me look good! Everyone assumes that Charles is spineless and a bit dimwitted… well, he probably is a bit of both, but he does have some thoughts in his mind. Charles goes on thinking to himself while they debate the fate of these prisoners. He keeps going back to that Warrior Viking and how impressed everyone seems to be with the man? Suddenly, a plan enters his brain on how to solve all of it and not spend too much more gold… Pay this Viking off in land, we have plenty of excess land around here! Perhaps I can convince this Viking Warrior to take some land, some coastal land to be exact. If he is such a ferocious Warrior, then he could guard his own damn land and ours as well? That’s it! I’ll offer this man coastal land, which he will then have to protect from the rest of those Heathens trying to rob him blind… See how he likes it then!  In the middle of his perfect scheme, he hears his daughter’s demanding voice and winces. She’s giving me another headache… I know she means well, but I have simply had enough of her and Odo! what to do, what to do about her? Ahhhh, I know! I’ll throw her into the deal as a wife for him. In fact, I will insist that he take her or the whole deal is off! Yes, Yes… this will all work out perfectly if Odo does not mess it up for me!

King Charles has his own secret plan

In the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte (911) with King Charles, Rollo pledged feudal allegiance to the king, changed his name to the Frankish version, and converted to Christianity, probably with the baptismal name Robert. In return, King Charles granted Rollo land between the Epte and the sea as well as parts of Brittany  and according to Dudo of St. Quentin, the hand of the King’s daughter, Gisela, although this marriage and Gisela herself are unknown to Frankish sources. He was also the titular ruler of Normandy, centered around the city of Rouen. There exists some argument among historians as to whether Rollo was a “duke” (dux) or whether his position was equivalent to that of a “count” under Charles.

According to legend, when required to kiss the foot of King Charles, as a condition of the treaty, he refused to perform so great a humiliation, and when Charles extended his foot to Rollo, Rollo ordered one of his warriors to do so in his place. His warrior then lifted Charles’ foot up to his mouth causing the king to fall to the ground.

After 911, Rollo stayed true to his word of defending the shores of the Seine river in accordance to the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. However, he also continued attacks on Flanders.

After Charles was deposed by Robert I in 922, Rollo considered his oath to the King of France at an end. It started a period of expansion westwards. Negotiations with French barons ended with Rollo being given Le Mans and Bayeux and continued with the seizure of Bessin in 924. The following year the Normans attacked Picardy.

Rollo began to divide the land between the Epte and Risle rivers among his chieftains and settled there with a de facto capital in Rouen. Over time, Rollo’s men intermarried with the local women, and became more settled into French Catholic culture as Normans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo

Of course, plans do not always go quite as one imagines them in one’s mind, so I am sure that there will be a few changes to this genius plan inside Charles’ wandering mind. One thing he does do is remind both Odo and Gisla of just who is King, and who makes the final decisions… well, him and God, but you get my point! At their most recent meeting before sending Odo off on his mission to pay the Vikings off, he makes it fairly clear to Gisla that while her ideas might have some merit and value, it is not for her to decide. None of these things are really for you to decide, dear girl, we only let you play at it and have your way when it benefits us… as you will soon see!

gisla you will bring me his head gisla is not impressed with her father's thought that Sintric might be of any help

gisla: otherwise we will have failed.

gisla: otherwise we will have failed.

 

Given Gisla’s distaste and downright hatred of these Barbarians, I do not imagine that she will initially be too excited about the prospect of marrying one of them… even if it is Rollo! She may be willing to do her duty for God, Country and her Father but, really this carrying things a bit too far, don’t you think Daddy? You could not honestly be serious about this idea! I am reasonably sure that Rollo may not be too happy about this initially either, depending on how he is conned into it… But, he may be keeping the Seer’s prophecy in mind and convincing himself that this really is a good thing even as she throws her first tantrum at not getting her way. These two may be fascinated with each other and attracted to each other but I have a feeling this partnership is going to test both of them. 

I envision a rather rocky start to this relationship in which Gisla must learn that she can not always have her way and that pouting will not cut it with Rollo! I have a thought that Rollo will go by the time tested adage of “If you choose to act like a child, then I shall treat you as one.” Now, normally, I am not an advocate of corporal punishment, but in this instance, I am of the opinion that a good spanking may be in Gisla’s future if she continues to be demanding and pouting with our Rollo… Ummmm, actually, I would love to see this scenario played out on screen instead of just in my head!  This punishment would not have been remiss, uncalled for or unheard of back in their time, though it most surely would not sit well with Gisla?  The action would however, tie into a small bit of  limited information that we do have historically for Gisla.

Gisela of France, also called Gisella or Giséle (fl. 911), was traditionally a French princess and the consort of King Rollo.

According to tradition, Rollo was betrothed to Gisela, daughter to the king of West Francia, Charles the Simple, after his conversion to Christianity upon his ascension as ruler of Normandy in 911. Legend says that Rollo treated Gisela with cruelty. Her father sent her two knights to act as her support in Normandy, but they were both executed by hanging on the order of Rollo. Gisela had no children.

The marriage and the existence of Gisela are not confirmed. It has been suggested that, if she really did exist, she may have been a natural daughter of Charles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_of_France

My personal thought on this… Gisla gets spanked by Rollo then tries to run home to Daddy accusing the man of violence and cruelty towards her. Charles’ response to this is to send her right back with a message for Rollo, “She is your problem now, deal with her as you see fit… Why do you think I let you marry her!”

Now, of course, the Seer and I could be completely off base here… it’s been known to happen, we have on occasion been wrong? But, in this preview clip, we do see what could be a wedding, and the Princess Gisla does not look too happy about it, then again no one else looks too happy either so I guess the dancing naked on the beach will have to wait a bit… I do have to say, Our Rollo certainly looks fine in his formal attire for such an occasion!

Rollo dressed up

So, there you have my thoughts and guesses as to the rocky start of wedded bliss for Rollo and Gisla… Will the bear tame the pouting princess or will the princess tame the wild bear? Perhaps it will be a bit of both, but I can not wait to see how it all plays out!

 

 

 

 

92 thoughts on “Vikings: What does the future hold for Rollo and Gisla?

  1. Very nice….That could all very well be correct. Was thinking about that line, the princess will crown the bear. princesses don’t crown kings, the bishop crowns the king. The Franks were not converted by force, they really do believe in the Christian faith. If she Gisla marries Rollo in the church by the bishop and, then as a devote believer, divorce is not allowed. She seems to be a devoted believer. I have always believed that Ragnar would betray Rollo, if the price was high enough. I think that’s why the parents chose Ragnar as the golden boy. Rollo has his limits. There are some lines he just won’t cross, and I think that’s why his parents dislked him. He could not betray Ragnar and he could not kill Siggy. I also wondered about the masks. Perhaps at some point, Gisla disguises Rollo as the Emperor and puts the cloak, mask and crown on him. For example, maybe Rollo thinks Ragnar is really dead! So the king offers Rollo the deal above. So they marry, and on their wedding night the Vikings break into the city. Ragnar never told Rollo. Perhaps she sees that he didn’t know, and she smuggles him to a secure location disguised as the emperor. The Vikings think he is dead and that she had him killed. (he’ll be back in season 4 fighting for the FRANKS) I was thinking about that Jarl Borg scene where he tells Rollo, your brother will betray you. Then Jarl Borg tells him the story about how his new wife drank the poison and saved his life. Perhaps, Ragnar uses Bjorn to betray Rollo. Bjorn knows the plan. Maybe that’s why the seer told Lagertha, the trickster uses a weapon that will cleave you. Lagertha was not hurt by Eckbert. What does it mean cleave you? Who is the trickster? Watch this friend’s clip to see the Golden Boy vs. the Black Sheep in the family. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l96PSSe9Bsg

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  2. You know that part where Charles got annoyed with Gisla when she told him to not give in to Ragnar. I may have mentioned this before. I think she already sent for the East Frankish army. Charles will be both angry that she defied him and happy that Paris will be saved. The East Franks will trap the Vikings in the city. So he may very well be happy to pack her off to Normandy and get rid of her after he finds she disobeyed him. Charles moods are weird. That’s why I wondered if he has some kind of mental condition. Sometimes he seems lucid and rational and sometimes he seems scared and unsure. He does seem to be a spiritual man. Several of the Carolingian relatives were monks and priest. Perhaps that’s what he really wanted to do.

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  3. Oh I think she asked for Sigfried’s head to show anyone else she means business. Screw with me and you die. (I was sorry to see Sigfried go) Perhaps one of the Vikings sees Sigfried’s head on the pike and thinks it’s Rollo! Since maybe everyone knew about Ragnar’s plan except Rollo, and maybe Lagertha, wouldn’t it be fitting justice, if everyone thinks Rollo is dead until next year season 4?

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    • No, the Vikings know Rollo’s not dead, they all saw him back in the camp with everyone else. I felt bad about Sigfrid too- I liked that guy! I think the cliff hanger will be not knowing for sure whether Ragnar is dead or alive…

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  4. It will be interesting to see what they do with Sinrics character also, he adds such “color” to the series. Although Ragnars fate hangs in the balance, I do agree, it will be the way the episode ends. Hmmmm, or could it be possible something does happen to Rollo. Maybe that is who Lagertha is talking to in the promo, beings he is the only one I know of that has been baptize as well. That would force Rollo to have to remain there, giving a reason to get closer to the princess. I guess we shall see. Sure going to miss Thursday nights at 10:00 for awhile…. As always, your last post was fabulous !

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    • I think Sinric is a Byzantine Court Eunuch. They were agents of the Byzantine emperor. Michael Hirst said it’s going to take the Vikings 2 years to get home. (not sure why) By the time they return, I think Rollo will be fluent in the Frankish language and maybe not even look like a Viking. They will just think he “went” Native. Maybe they will return to the camp and find it deserted and think he is dead. I’ll think they will probably meet him to negotiate and be shocked. He may offer them an opportunity to farm the land, if they stop raiding. Some may take him up on it. I predict the other Viking(the ones that stayed behind) will have married the court ladies and maybe even have kids. Over the two years, Ragnar will recover. I think he’ll be stunned when he sees what they look like in two 1/2 years.

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      • I can’t wait to see the change in him and his men! I believe in history, he gave his men choice pieces of land and they were the founding Noblemen of Normandy.

        As for Sinric… I have a different thought on who he might be- I am planning a future post about it!

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  5. I was looking at a genealogy book. Perhaps the poppa kidnap story is partly true, but she was related to the Carolingians. This would have actually a brilliant plan on Charles part. He gives the land away but gets it back, because his grand kids will inherit the land. In real history, Rollo was loyal to the Carolingians. The power struggle that followed toppled the Carolingians in the next generation. It was through smart alliances that allowed the Normans to have a future in Normandy. The vikings had no other foothold in Europe. It was the smart alliances; plus they learned how to master the art of horsemanship. Foot soldiers are no match for cavalry.

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  6. I am not agree with all those things said. I don´t think that Rollo is gonna to mistreating Gisla, and i do not believe either that Gisla is not gonna to bear children in the series. I know that the hystorical Gisla does not have children, but some sources speak that she was a daughter at last.
    Anyway the historical mother of Rollo´s children was Poppa of Bayeux and Rollo was father already when she married with Gisla, so i would bet all my money that in the series Gisla will be the mother of Rollo´s children. And i don´t think that she never will love Rollo but maybe will rule some of respect between them.
    I don´t defend the mistreating in any possible way, and Rollo seems happy of marry with her. The emperor does not see his daughter as a problem, but as a good oportunity of have peace. I am not agree with his father wanting to pull out his daugher, the only one who ruled in his name while the war, encouraging the army against the barbarians.

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  7. Judy, some of the fans were thinking that Rollo was told by the seer when he was a boy, that he would never have children. Which could be why, in season one, Lagertha and Ragnar laugh about leaving the children to Rollo. The gods may have deemed him unworthy perhaps why they were laughing about it. Ragnar was told he would have many children by the seer at some point in the past. I was looking at the pictures some of the fans put up, and there is a certain iconography associated the Frankish royal family and Jesus, Mary. St. Mary is associated with the Ark of the Covenant. If you compare the pictures of Gisla, the Ark is carried into battle. The Philistines capture the Ark and it gives them the plague (Ragnar is sick with something) Gisla cuts the hair of Rollo, as a play on she Samson and Delilah story except reversed. maybe getting to the Odin sacrifice at the end of his life. There are also certain associations of Rollo and St. Joseph. JOseph protects the promised child. Perhaps the writers are playing with the themes as they do with the Viking myth. Perhaps, they are trying to associate Duke William with the “promised” child of miracle. Could be a future series in there, just like the one with Alfred. I am not a DaVinci code fan, but there could be that element watching the series. The DaVinci code drove me crazy. I had to take Art History in college…

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    • I loved the DaVinci code but it drove nuts as well! You could easily get so involved in all the various possible theories, comparisons, symbolisms and themes that you completely lose sight of any actual story! Hirst does have a habit of delving into such symbolisms and in many ways, I think he has a tendency to get so involved in those connections that he gets way too side tracked from his original story plan. I’m hoping he can get himself and the story back on track and tell more of the story of Viking history the way he originally set out to do. I am interested in what the other series that has been mentioned will be about? My personal hope is that he separates Rollo’s story and maybe uses a separate series to tell Rollo’s story and the story of Normandy. I think that would actually make the most sense!

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      • Or the other series is about Bjorn, and the brothers…Maybe the journey to the New World???? THat would be fun. The myth should be in the back ground of the story. Was thinking too, Fenrir’s children are Hati and Skoll. (in my simplified understanding of the myth) He might write the story in that Gisla is the mother of fraternal twins, a boy and a girl. (that would save money in the budget and time of the series) BTW. the sun and the moon. Interesting that Rollo’s tattoos hare of Hati and Skoll I believe http://norse-mythology.org/skoll-hati/

        haha Dan Brown thought Da Vinci was Leonardo’s last name. (it’s a place Dan sheesh) Stuff like that ruined the story for me. This series won’t likely go into the Merovingian thing. Bertrada of Laon, Charlemagne’s mom, was a Merovingian, but not his dad.

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      • I would prefer to see a somewhat more historically accurate series dealing with early Normandy and some of it’s involvement with England and Vikings. Hirst has already played enough with mixing history, myth and legend. Once he gets past Ragnar and on to the events of the next generations, there is plenty of documented history and I know I will get more frustrated with continued mixing of legends and twisting history!

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    • Historically speaking, I like this TV serious to be more close to the real history of Vikings. But personally, I kind of would prefer to see Rollo has his family and children some time. He is a nice man as a person, it’s sad to see he hath no child in his entire life… Well, I have to admit some people are just unfortunate like that

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      • I would really prefer it to be closer to real history too! That is why I try to fill in the gaps here and share some of the real history, which in my opinion is just as interesting or more so than the story! I would like to see the future for Rollo that does include those children- the next generations that had so much impact on Normandy becoming what it was in history!

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  8. Here is what I think could happen. Here is a possible conversation right after the wedding as they sit side by side for the wedding banquet with other dignitaries of the realm, never thought I would actually take a shot at this:

    (Pulling his chair back from the banquet table a little and gesturing to Gisla and his translator to join him, Rollo begins:)
    Gisla,we’ve never truly had a chance to speak. I’m going to learn your language as fast as I can. In the meanwhile, I’m asking (translator) to translate for me.
    First, I can see your upset about this arrangement. I understand but know the last thing I would ever desire is to break your magnificent spirit or treat you in a way unworthy of your rank.
    I respect and admire you. I will never forget the first time I saw you on the city walls. Although you were my enemy, I was moved by the spirit with which you roused your men. I knew then we had found a worthy foe.
    You see this whole arrangement as an unnecessary concession to an enemy. But you are wrong. I am no longer the enemy of Paris. I will prove to be its greatest ally and hope to win your love and respect. I will teach your people how to counter our tactics. Just give me a chance to win your love. And encourage your people to welcome my men. We need to make this our home if we are to be strong allies.
    Once I was married to a beautiful woman very much like you. She was strong, spirited and had vision. She was of noble blood, just like you. She died saving my brother’s sons. I’ve been alone ever since until I saw you on the walls of Paris. Shortly after your father proposed this marriage. I couldn’t believe it. I began to hope that in you I could find again what I had lost. I began to hope that once again I would have a strong woman, a princess, at my side.
    All my life my younger brother has taken precedence over me. I served loyally at his side because that was the will of the gods. But then your father offered me a title of nobility and lands. Then he gave me your hand. I am filled with so much hope. Give our marriage some time. Although I may never prove your equal, give yourself a chance to be happy at my side. We will create a new race of men the like of which never has been seen!
    Finally, let me say you are the most beautiful maiden I have ever seen. Be happy with me on this our wedding day! Think about my words.
    Gisla’s response: I never expected such a speech from a pagan barbarian. I must admit you surprise me.
    But how can I or my father ever truly trust you! You come here uninvited! You kill our men, steal our treasures and land. You mock our God and slaughtered our bishop at the altar.
    I love my father but he is a fool to trust you. When your brother returns you will turn on us and you will share me with your men and then feed me to your dogs. What am I to you but a trophy, a means to an end. But no matter. By then, I will no longer wish to live.
    Rollo: By all the gods I admire your spirit woman! Tell me what to do to prove that I love you!
    Gisla: Take your men and leave this place. Go back to where you come from and never come back!
    Rollo: If I did that, others would come and take your city. Your father would have to offer your hand to someone else…perhaps someone older and less civil. I may be a Pagan and a Barbarian, but I’ve never treated women with disrespect, even when they insult me as you seem intent to do.
    Gisla: I can’t believe this is happening to me. I fought for my city while my father cringed in fear. And now he sells me off to his enemy.
    Rollo: His enemy? I could never be his enemy now, because that would mean that we would be enemies. As long as we are bound in marriage and love, your father will have no enemy in me.
    Gisla: We might be bound in marriage, but I am not bound to you in love you…. bear of a man. You may tear me to pieces tonight, but I will never surrender myself to you willingly.
    Rollo: Well I bind myself to you in love, and I will prove myself to your father and to you. And one day, you will no longer curse me. The defense of Paris and my lands, and the winning of the heart of my Gisla… I live now for these things alone!
    Gisla: How can you torment me like this!? How can you continue to profess love for me, who despises you so?!
    Rollo: A man who felt less perhaps could perhaps stop. But not me! Now smile princess! Show your people how stoic and strong you are. For they think like you.
    Let’s return to the banquet table. I don’t want them to fail to see how enchanted I am. I will win your heart!
    Gisla: ( An absolutely incredulous look comes over her face. Rollo smiles and returns to the table. But as she returns to the table she finds a smile coming to her face more easily than she thought possible. At first, she thought it was to reassure her people. But then she though, “Can this man be for real? Would he become a Christian for me? Could he possibly be true to his word. Could he be true….to me?”)

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    • I may be a Pagan and a Barbarian, but I’ve never treated women with disrespect

      Eh…Rollo did rape Floki’s female servant in Season 1.

      And in Season 2, there was that time he grabbed Siggy painfully in bed, asking her why she slept with King Horik.

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      • Well, to his somewhat dubious credit… back in that time, it was not necessarily considered rape to relieve your physical needs with an available slave. We consider it as some horrific and awful action on his part showing his gross character flaws but in reality, it was a part of life back then. In fact some slaves were kept specifically for that purpose and were referred to as body slaves.

        As to the incident with Siggy… While I liked Siggy, she had her faults as well. She obviously had to have known that if Rollo found out what she did, there was going to be some serious hell to pay! This treatment was within the bounds of their seriously dysfunctional relationship.

        Perhaps what Rollo should add in his conversation with Gisla is more along the lines of… “I have not treated Noble women with disrespect unless it is warranted, or they have proven that they do not deserve such respect…”

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      • I guess I don’t remember that part.

        The rape was in Episode 2 of Season 1, called “Wrath of the Northmen.” Rollo rapes the woman right in Kattegat before they leave on their first ever raid into England.

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      • We consider it as some horrific and awful action on his part showing his gross character flaws but in reality, it was a part of life back then.

        You are absolutely correct on that count. But I think the show has been sending out a confused message based on attempts to incorporate anachronistic sensibilities. Some other critics claimed that the rape scene established Rollo as exceptionally violent even by Viking standards, because apparently rape is the step too far. I find it strange that so many viewers think torture and murder are negotiable, but rape is the thing beyond the pale. But that appears to be a modern sensibility in style now. Just look at last year’s commotion over “Game of Thrones.”

        In Season 1, Earl Haraldson’s brother Knut tried to rape a Saxon woman during a raid. Lagertha tried to stop him and then Knut tried to rape her, and so Lagertha killed him. When Haraldson demands an answer, Lagertha protests that Knut was trying to rape a Saxon woman, as if doing so was some kind of crime which permitted her to use force against him. This really confused me. Was Hirst trying to say that the Vikings even considered the rape of captives and raided people to be some kind of taboo? So it’s okay to raid people’s towns, break into their homes, steal their property, enslave them, and gruesomely kill them…but just don’t rape them? In addition to sounding morally ridiculous, it also sounds historically ridiculous.

        As Joe Dorner mentioned bellow, Hirst often lionizes the Vikings and presents them as the better, nobler people. He also tries to present Viking society as being more egalitarian or even proto-feminist, what with the assertive women and shield maidens. So perhaps that explains why Hirst sends out suggestions that Vikings had some stronger taboo against rape, even in battle. But I think that is one idealization of the Vikings that is so fanciful, it detracts from the show. Hirst may have dialed it back somewhat in Season 2, because I think there were scenes of Horik and his men dragging away some Saxon women and nuns to rape. (Though Hirst may have done that show that Horik and his men are “bad” Vikings and Ragnar and his men are “good” Vikings.) But if there even the slightest trace of historical verisimilitude in this show, then Ragnar, Rollo, and all the happy gang have almost certainly raped scores of women throughout their years of raiding.

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      • I completely agree with you! It’s kind of like Rollo is suppose to be in the category of the “bad” Vikings while Ragnar is elevated to that epitome of “Good” Viking hero- even though it seems to be ok for him to betray others, cheat on his wife, and go so far as to murder innocent survivors of a massacre… all of his actions are deemed acceptable by fans because he is supposedly the “good guy” in all of this???

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      • It’s kind of like Rollo is suppose to be in the category of the “bad” Vikings while Ragnar is elevated to that epitome of “Good” Viking hero

        We should also remember that Ragnar did rape Aslaug in Season 2. She told him that she did not want to have sex with him because she said it would conceive a monster, but Ragnar did it anyway. She used the term “forced himself.”

        When Ragnar came to the farmhouse, he wanted to have sex. I told him if he forced himself on me in the first three days of his return, I would bear him a monster.

        The result of the rape was Ivar.

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      • A fact which everyone seems to conveniently forget! I suppose because they put that event or action in the category or terms of her being his wife so it wouldn’t really be rape… people want to get so bothered and upset by Rollo raping a slave but they seem to have few issues with Ragnar’s forcing or raping Aslaug.

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  9. Here is a possible scenario, after the tearful wedding ceremony:
    (Having gathered in the banquet hall, pulling his chair back from the banquet table a little and gesturing to Gisla and his translator to join him, Rollo begins:)
    Gisla,we’ve never truly had a chance to speak. I’m going to learn your language as fast as I can. In the meanwhile, I’m asking (translator) to translate for me.
    First, I can see your upset about this arrangement. I understand but know the last thing I would ever desire is to break your magnificent spirit or treat you in a way unworthy of your rank.
    I respect and admire you. I will never forget the first time I saw you on the city walls. Although you were my enemy, I was moved by the spirit with which you roused your men. I knew then we had found a worthy foe.
    You see this whole arrangement as an unnecessary concession to an enemy. But you are wrong. I am no longer the enemy of Paris. I will prove to be its greatest ally and hope to win your love and respect. I will teach your people how to counter our tactics. Just give me a chance to win your love. And encourage your people to welcome my men. We need to make this our home if we are to be strong allies.
    Once I was married to a beautiful woman very much like you. She was strong, spirited and had vision. She was of noble blood, just like you. She died saving my brother’s sons. I’ve been alone ever since until I saw you on the walls of Paris. Shortly after your father proposed this marriage. I couldn’t believe it. I began to hope that in you I could find again what I had lost. I began to hope that once again I would have a strong woman, a princess, at my side.
    All my life my younger brother has taken precedence over me. I served loyally at his side because that was the will of the gods. But then your father offered me a title of nobility and lands. Then he gave me your hand. I am filled with so much hope. Give our marriage some time. Although I may never prove your equal, give yourself a chance to be happy at my side. We will create a new race of men the like of which never has been seen!
    Finally, let me say you are the most beautiful maiden I have ever seen. Be happy with me on this our wedding day! Think about my words.
    Gisla’s response: I never expected such a speech from a pagan barbarian. I must admit you surprise me.
    But how can I or my father ever truly trust you! You come here uninvited! You kill our men, steal our treasures and land. You mock our God and slaughtered our bishop at the altar.
    I love my father but he is a fool to trust you. When your brother returns you will turn on us and you will share me with your men and then feed me to your dogs. What am I to you but a trophy, a means to an end. But no matter. By then, I will no longer wish to live.
    Rollo: By all the gods I admire your spirit woman! Tell me what to do to prove that I love you!
    Gisla: Take your men and leave this place. Go back to where you come from and never come back!
    Rollo: If I did that, others would come and take your city. Your father would have to offer your hand to someone else…perhaps someone older and less civil. I may be a Pagan and a Barbarian, but I’ve never treated women with disrespect, even when they insult me as you seem intent to do.
    Gisla: I can’t believe this is happening to me. I fought for my city while my father cringed in fear. And now he sells me off to his enemy.
    Rollo: His enemy? I could never be his enemy now, because that would mean that we would be enemies. As long as we are bound in marriage and love, your father will have no enemy in me.
    Gisla: We might be bound in marriage, but I am not bound to you in love you…. bear of a man. You may tear me to pieces tonight, but I will never surrender myself to you willingly.
    Rollo: Well I bind myself to you in love, and I will prove myself to your father and to you. And one day, you will no longer curse me. The defense of Paris and my lands, and the winning of the heart of my Gisla… I live now for these things alone!
    Gisla: How can you torment me like this!? How can you continue to profess love for me, who despises you so?!
    Rollo: A man who felt less perhaps could perhaps stop. But not me! Now smile princess! Show your people how stoic and strong you are. For they think like you.
    Let’s return to the banquet table. I don’t want them to fail to see how enchanted I am. I will win your heart!
    Gisla: ( An absolutely incredulous look comes over her face. Rollo smiles and returns to the table. But as she returns to the table she finds a smile coming to her face more easily than she thought possible. At first, she thought it was to reassure her people. But then she though, “Can this man be for real? Would he become a Christian for me? Could he possibly be true to his word. Could he be true….to me?”)

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    • Just saw it! Realistically, the way she’s carrying on and looking, I can’t really say that I blame him for not bothering with the wedding night ritual! He was trying so hard to be nice about it too… if she only knew how difficult that display of “gentlemanly” courtesy must have been for him! Unfortunately he’s going to have consumate the marriage sooner rather than later no matter how much she wails in order for it to be legal!

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      • In medieval times, I wonder how long the families and the Church would wait for a marriage to be consummated? Would they demand that it be done the very first night, or was there some sort of “grace period” to accomplish the task?

        Some of the fan-fictions have dealt with the issue of providing “proof” of consummation. One of them has Rollo cutting himself with the dagger to put blood on the sheets, giving Gisla an alibi.

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      • Realistically, being a pagan he might not even have been aware of all the “Christian” rules regarding marriage, consumating it and that it wouldn’t be legally binding without some proof. Unless of course, someone had explained all of this to him. He just needs to do it and get it over with!

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      • Maybe I’m wrong, but it looks like sunlight is streaming in through the windows of their bedchamber. So is this really a wedding night? Or a wedding afternoon?

        Normally, when the Vikings encounter another people, the Viking characters just speak in English and the foreigners speak in subtitles or through a translator. But not this time. It was an excellent decision to have Rollo and Gisla both speaking their own languages in subtitles for this scene. Heightens their mutual barrier and lack of understanding.

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      • Realistically, being a pagan he might not even have been aware of all the “Christian” rules regarding marriage

        True. Some of the fan-fictions have addressed this point too in entertaining ways, like having Sinric frantically warn Rollo that “she must bleed” as he makes his way to the marriage bed.

        In the trailer, we see Rollo and Gisla kneeling at the altar. So presumably, Sinric or somebody else told him at least a few basic steps in a Christian wedding ceremony.

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  10. I have a lot of sympathy for Gisla. None of this is fair to her. I’m actually am happy to see that Rollo is patient and tries to wait till he wins her heart. As far as how Christianity views this whole thing….frankly, strictly speaking, according to the Catholic Church, unless the marriage is consented to, it is not a true life long binding sacramental marriage. So all those stories about women being forced to marry…were actually contrary to Christian teaching. Without consent, even if “consummated” such a marriage could be declared null and void very easily. Unfortunately, for political reasons, such as the ones involved in this marriage, so called Christian Kings were too often willing to ignore the rights of women, and some clergy went along with it, but not all. So the whole idea of forcing the consummation or policing the consummation is a non issue. Unless one of the spouses complained about it, in which case either would have the right to walk away from the marriage. …In case you were interested.

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  11. For this to be good, they have to portray a deeper side to her at some point instead of focusing on her fear and anger. If they are going to bring out her piety, it should be more that of Joan of Ark rather than that of a spoiled scared girl. And then they are going to have to find a way for Gisla to see that “there is more depth” to this man than she originally thought. He is going to have to do something for her…perhaps a great victory over invading Vikings that all her soldiers are raving about? It could be interesting but sometimes in this show the producer is so eager to put down the West and over glorify the Vikings in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for the extra clip Megalodon.

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    • I agree completely on Hirst’s over glorifying so much of the Viking story. I am hoping for a more in depth story of Rollo and Normandy but don’t really want it all to play out as him being the “evil” betrayer brother that Hirst seems to be setting him up to be.

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    • For this to be good, they have to portray a deeper side to her at some point instead of focusing on her fear and anger.

      On that matter, I am cautiously optimistic.

      For those who don’t know, Helen Shaver is one of the show’s directors. In addition to the Season 4 episodes she’s doing, she also directed two episodes in Season 3, “The Usurper” and “Born Again.” Shaver’s episodes tend to focus on character development, and I think she also gets remarkable performances out of the actresses.

      Dianne Doan specifically praised Shaver because the episodes she directed allowed for much character exploration.

      http://www.designntrend.com/articles/69448/20160206/vikings-season-4-spoilers-dianne-doan-teases-yidu-ragnar-relationship-exclusive.htm

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    • the producer is so eager to put down the West and over glorify the Vikings in my opinion

      Indeed. As much I enjoy the show, Michael Hirst insists on pushing a silly and heavy-handed dichotomy between the glorious Vikings and the sniveling West. From Season 1, it was clear how Hirst intended us to perceive the different groups. The show portrays the Vikings as a violent but honest, authentic, and brave people who endure through hardship and scarcity and are eager to learn. Meanwhile, the West and Christians are weak, cowardly, incompetent, ignorant, arrogant, hypocritical and grow fat and decadent from their undeserved plenty and riches. There where times when I winced at how the show spewed this message.

      Remember King Aella’s brother who took so long to pray that he missed the entire battle and got captured without a fight because the Vikings just knocked down his tent? King Aella and his court are so credulous that it takes an eternity for the one rational person there to suggest that maybe the Vikings are not divine or demonic punishment, but are just men in search of plunder. Most every Christian cleric is portrayed as either officious or corrupt, if not both. Aella’s bishop was loud and obnoxious, making Rollo’s baptism insufferable. Egbert’s bishop is a fat, venal lackey eager to suck up to his king and then dispense crucifixions and mutilations as punishment. The only Christian character who has displayed an ability to understand and learn about different ways is Egbert, and that’s for the purpose of gaining power. And the way Egbert fetishizes pagan Rome seems to reinforce the show’s theme that Christianity = weakness and paganism = strength.

      For the entire show, the only Christian character who was interesting and generally decent was Athelstan.

      The theme is still present through Season 3. Kwenthrith tells us how her brother and uncle molested her, and how eager other Christian men wanted to rape a child. We’re meant to think that the Franks have more than a few over-civilized fops who hide behind their walls. Charles is a mincing coward who faints at the sight of a dagger. Count Odo’s civility is just a veneer, because he’s really a repressed pervert who must express his violence and sexuality through these tangled BDSM games in his private dungeon. The message seems to be that Christian men only pretend to be good and merciful, but must either be cowards and/or pervents who conceal their violent desires (as opposed to the good and true Vikings who just murder and rape out in the open).

      The A.V. Club explained the trope at the end of Season 3:

      Hirst continues to contrast the signature Viking depredations (especially against conquered women) with the sexual violence of the various “civilized” courts. While Viking rape has stayed mostly offscreen this season, the show has gone to great lengths to portray both the English and French courts as home to perversion and cruelty, whether it be Ecbert’s effete, flowery sexual blackmail of daughter-in-law Judith, Aethelwulf’s flagellating, brutal denial of his sexual urges, Kwenthrith enduring a lifetime of abuse from her male relatives, or, tonight, Odo‘s whip-laden sex parlor. It’s there, too, tonight in Gisla’s fiery denunciation of her intended groom Rollo, her spitting fury at being matched to “this piece of warm meat” being met with indulgent smiles from both her father and Rollo, painting the heretofore strong-willed princess as yet another example of stereotypical, tightly-wound highborn womanhood, whose assumed virtue merely covers up her repressed desires for a “real man.” Meanwhile, the Vikings “just” rape, because that’s what they do. It’s a conscious choice on Hirst’s part, one that, troublingly, equates the “civilized” world of dark, twisted repressed sexuality with the purer, no-nonsense, “natural” sexuality of the Vikings.

      http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/vikings-dead-218406

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  12. One thought I just had was that Gisla looked utterly terrified by all the strange tattoos on Rollo’s body. She might be afraid of their strange power or meaning…maybe even demonic…thus she says, “Stay away from me you monster.”

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    • Wow. You nailed it. I’ve been trying to overlook all these things because I’m a movie buff. As a Christian I don’t look to movie producers to paint us as perfect, we are far from it. But such bias against us, I don’t get it.

      One scene with Rollo where he just killed a prisoner because of the way his leg was positioned…atrocious. I just put it out of my mind so I can still care about Rollo the character. I almost rewrite the story in my head sometimes. I came across the third season for rent at Family Videos. So I rented the first and second season and then the third….all over the last two months. I’m hoping they don’t degrade Gisla before us and ruin it. but…whatever. There are better movies out there.

      If you want to see something that actually is beautifully done, you have to see Cinderella: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1661199/

      Absolutely, beautiful. Try that movie if you need something that is…fair, true and uplifting. The producer had no agenda and just put the story out there. I don’t know how else to describe it. All the best.

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      • I’ve watched this all play out from a more pagan than Christian perspective and I have to say that in that perspective, I find the bias almost overwhelming and distracting! I too spend a lot of time rewriting the story in my head.
        When I started watching it I thought it was going to be more of an exploration and adventure theme. I naively assumed that because it was title Vikings and initially introduced as a story about the Viking age and era that we would see more of the explorations of the Northmen…

        In those beginning episodes where they showed the adventurous spirit, the discoveries and conditions that set up the success of those Northern explorers- like the sun stone and Floki’s boat building skills, and even the mention of the “Wanderer” who told Ragnar of all these other places.
        I got hooked on that portion of the story that went on to address the issues within their homeland such as fighting for limited territories, plagues and illnesses that decimated populations- all of those things that would cause men and their families to search for a better place to settle.

        I got hooked on the story for those initial reasons so will stick with it, all the while rewriting it to my own liking!
        I liked Rollo’s character from the beginning and I guess saw positive things in him that other fans are so quick to forget or deny. I want to see him succeed and have a better outcome than what all of the Ragnar fans want. I’m at the point where I am frustrated and annoyed with what Hirst has chosen to with Rollo!

        I haven’t seen that version of Cinderella- will definitely have to check it out!

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  13. Though I must say, compared to all the splendid dresses we’ve seen Gisla wear, her wedding dress looks rather frumpy.

    Maybe it was the wedding style at the time.
    Or perhaps she decided the heathen was not worth the best of her wardrobe.

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  14. This Inquisitr critic claims to have viewed the first four episodes. Really? Inquisitr is important enough to get early screening copies of episodes?

    Anyway, although the reviewer confesses to not liking Rollo, she describes the relationship between him and Gisla as “epic.”

    Season 4 sees him arranged in a marriage that he seems pleased with, but his bride to be, Princess Gisla (Morgaine Polanski), is far from impressed. She is opinionated to start with, but season 4 sees her take on a whole new level of snark when it comes to the fact her father wants her to wed a savage. Standen’s comedic timing is just brilliant in their scenes.

    Sounds like we’re in for a lot of “rom com” material. Though this reinforces Clive Standen’s hints that Rollo and Gisla remind him of Benedick and Beatrice.

    Also, the reviewer claims that they have changed the show’s opening credits. That actually concerns me. My favorite image has always been the opening title frame with the mournful raindrops hitting a gray and desolate ocean surface. I hope they did not remove that.

    http://www.inquisitr.com/2787955/vikings-season-4-a-non-spoiler-review-of-the-first-four-episodes/

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    • The show needs a bit of the rom com to lighten it up a little! I love Clive’s humor and look forward to being able to see some of it come out in the show.
      They mention that the theme seems to be betrayal… really??? Nothing new about that line- it kind of feels like that’s what the entire series has been based on!
      So, this article mentions that Aslaug purchased Yidu, making her essentially Aslaug’s property. That presents a whole different scenario than what has previously been mentioned. Other previews and interviews have said that Ragnar’s group acquires her in Paris- which would place her as Ragnar’s property to do what ever he chooses. This is a different scenario because I don’t think Aslaug is going to take too kindly to Ragnar basically taking over her slave!
      It also mentioned that someone from past seasons returns in a way we don’t anticipate…The only one I can think of is perhaps Athelstan returns as a spirit???

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  15. I’ve been meaning to ask, “Where can I view this show on the 18th?” I don’t have the history channel. Is there a place I can purchase the rights to watch online? Or will I have to wait till it comes out in the video stores. Thanks.

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  16. They have already released some of the episode titles and plot summaries. The first episode is called “A Good Treason.” We are told that “Rollo betrays the last of his Viking supporters to strengthen his position in the French Court.”

    http://www.enstarz.com/articles/142197/20160212/vikings-season-4-premiere-a-good-treason-plot-revealed-will-ragnar-survive-video.htm

    I guess this explains the “you have betrayed your own kind!” scene from the trailers. And in all the previews since, whenever we see Rollo, he is only with Franks. Never any images of other Vikings who presumably accompanied Rollo when he made the deal with Charles.

    So, does this mean that all the Vikings who stayed behind with Rollo in that encampment will be massacred? What about all the men who accompanied Rollo into the city when he first met Charles and Gisla at the end of Season 3? Why does Rollo decide to betray them? Do the Franks make him do it just to prove his loyalty? Is Rollo afraid of his compatriots turning on him in support of Ragnar? And how many men stayed behind with him? A few dozen? A few hundred?

    If all these Vikings pledged to support Rollo and join the Franks, just for him to sell them out, that will really leave a bad taste. All those guys who followed Rollo into the throne room will really feel like dupes in their final moments. Though, after what Ragnar did, I guess the Franks won’t feel much remorse about stabbing Northmen in the back.

    But leaving the moral objection aside, I think that also jeopardizes the story and historical plausibility. Charles is willing to give a vast area of land and his daughter just for the service of one Viking? I know Rollo is a “great warrior” and rising leader, but presumably one of the important things he would have brought to the table would more Viking fighting men under his command, to aid in defense of Paris. You know, men who are also familiar with Viking tactics and can match them. But perhaps they’ve decided that Rollo will be the only Northman left alive in Francia, and he will play the “Uhtred” role of teaching tactics to the Frankish soldiers. But Normandy and a royal marriage seem a lavish price to pay for the aid of just one man.

    And I guess this means it would only be Rollo alone who navigates the Viking/Frankish culture clash. One thing I was looking forward to was seeing Rollo’s men also struggling to adapt to their new situation. The show is supposed to be the “story of all Vikings,” as Hirst keeps repeating (but not really delivering on that).

    I will hold out some hope that Rollo isn’t the only Viking which the show leaves alive to settle in Francia.

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      • I am trying my best to avoid even thinking about it right now! You’ll notice that I am not posting any thoughts or previews regarding the show- I’m just going to wait it out and see what Hirst throws at us! For now I am trying to catch up on my family ancestry and get ready for my upcoming vacation… 6 more weeks until I take a much needed break and hop on a plane to Scotland and England for two weeks! That’s more than enough to take my mind off from what ever the show has in store for us!

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  17. We have to stop torturing ourselves wondering what will happen…and just wait till the 18th:>) At least I have my “fanfiction” to retreat to if they botch it. But here is to hoping they don’t!

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  18. Are all his Viking comrades dead? There must be another camp of Vikings loyal to Rollo? Or what is the point of making him their ally? And how is he going to learn the language now that Sinric disappeared? I guess that is a technique for getting me to come back next week.

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    • I did not see any survivors after the massacre. I too keep hoping they will say “there was another camp of Vikings loyal to Rollo” or “most of his loyal men were in Paris during the massacre.” But that feels like wishful thinking. In all the previews of Rollo, we never see him with other Vikings on his side, just Franks.

      And I certainly agree with you about how this betrayal diminishes Rollo’s value as an ally. Sure, Rollo is supposed to be an awesome Viking warrior, but he is just one man. The reviewer in Forbes brought up the same point:

      What puzzles me the most about Rollo’s plan is that it leaves him essentially powerless. If Charles wanted to wed Rollo to his daughter in order to broker some sort of alliance between the vikings and the French, part of that deal requires Rollo to have either his own men, or some sway with Ragnar and his men. Now Rollo has neither. What good is he anymore to the French, beyond helping with their defensive strategy? That may be valuable in and of itself, but it’s not as valuable as a strategic marriage to the princess.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/02/18/vikings-season-4-premiere-review-a-good-treason-a-horrible-betrayal/#76d571782b2e

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    • Fortunately for me, my budget was a little tight so I opted for paying by the episode for now! I know that I am going to miss some episodes in April while I’m on vacation… and I have a feeling I am going to need a break from it by then anyway.

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      • I’ll give you a “briefing” on any episodes you like. If I think there is one you really need to see…I will encourage you to purchase it. Hope you rented Cinderella.

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      • Have not had a chance to rent Cinderella yet but it’s on my list! Thanks for the “briefing” offer- I will be gone the first two weeks in April, and probably will not catch the last episode in March due to getting ready for this trip!

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  19. I noticed something weird about Sinric’s voice, the what goes around comes around comment and the, your grace in a snotty tone. I don’t know if you know what a Smear Campaign is, but it goes something like this: The Black Sheep goes to a party and people step away and say something like, Oh I heard about you, in a subdued tone. The Back ground story: the black sheep’s family pretends to like the black sheep’s spouse, but they really hate seeing the black sheep happy. The family secretly signs the black sheep up on a dating site. Next they plant info for the dating site where the beloved spouse can see it, and tell everyone the black sheep is cheating. Then go to a party and tell everyone that the black sheep is a lying no good cheat. The black sheep either ends up stoned, or gets a mental health diagnosis.

    IMO Sinric was told something and he left. He could be headed back to Kattegat to “spread the good news.” I don’t usually get upset at things like t.v., but that death of Angraboda really bothered me. OMG, Floki is going to kill both Ragnar and Bjorn with his bare hands. He will NEVER forgive them. This is so bad. I even felt bad for Ragnar because I don’t think he intended this to happen.

    I wanted to PUNCH Aslaug in the mouth. I don’t usually get like this, but OMG, after Helga tried to cover the affair with Harbard, Floki ran his mouth about it to Ragnar. Aslaug should have went to get Helga and the baby. Or if it wasn’t for his STUPID pride Ragnar should have let them Run away with the baby. She couldn’t take it. It was too cold. She looked so miserable when she saw dad chained up in the square.

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    • I am still trying to digest everything I just saw… I will say though at this point, I’ve decided to embrace Rollo’s treachery and betrayal… I am waiting for him show the world just how bad ass he can be and show just how and why the Normans succeeded at their conquests!
      I wonder what’s next for Helga… I have to ask myself if Ragnar will even think twice about whether his personal need for vengeance against Floki is really worth the death of an innocent child? He keeps insisting that Floki own up and admit that he killed for personal reasons… but he is doing exactly the same thing in his torture of Floki- this is personal vengeance he is inflicting on Floki.

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      • Just as a little aside. There’s a little thing called” an offer you can’t refuse.” Reference comes from the Godfather. He’ll give you a deal, but if you don’t take it, you are going to die or end up in bed with a horses head. From His point of view, he’s surrounded by the Franks, and you don’t say no, when you are surrounded. I guess from the Viking’s viewpoint, you are right,he’s a traitor.

        Here’s one of history’s biggest black sheep: Augustus Cesar. HE’s the model emperor. He was a man of slight build, with a high cold intelligence. He manages to outwit everyone. Notice, his mother let Marc Antony beat and abuse him. His mother and his sister are conspiring against him, yet he is THE MONSTER! In typical black sheep fashion, he ends up banishing his family. (he takes them back in a moment of weakness) Augustus was married to Livia for 40 years. They had a very happy relationship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsGEoYUZ6r8

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      • Funny you should speak of Augustus and Livia- I’m reading a book about them right now! It’s called The daughters of Palantine hill and it’s about Livia, step daughter Julia, Octavia and as interesting twist it poses the thought of had Cleopatra’s daughter lived, brought back to Rome and raised within the household of Octavia! I’m not usually one for the Roman history but this one did intrigue me and so far it’s quite interesting. I am just a little confused with all the history that I am not so familiar with!

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      • Oh yes. Augustus/Octavian was an EVIL genius governing from the shadows. He was not yelling, I am king, he was trying to make everything think he was not KING. He had Ceserion secretly killed, but he took Marc Antony and Cleopatra’s twins: Alexander Helios and Cleopatra Selene home and had them raised. Cleopatra Selene was the grandmother of Zenobia queen of Palmyra. Augustus could play a crowd. He knew the people of Rome would see him as a pious and nice guy. He protected his image. I think Ragnar does feel bad about the death of Angraboda. The friendship, IMO is over forever with Floki. He will never forgive him. I could be wrong, but I think this will tarnish Ragnar’s image in the village. Augustus/OCTAVIAN was the master of the offer you can’t refuse. Octavian Looms large. Charlemagne was buried Augustus sarcophagus. Here Octavian faces down Cleopatra, notice he gives her an offer she can’t refuse. She’s going back to rome in golden chains for execution. The Seduction will not work on him. The poor servants, just don’t get that this is the offer you can’t refuse, IMO the Vikings don’t get it either, they think they can refuse, but they can’t. Rollo is also being forced to Marry Gisla just like she’s forced to marry him. IMO Roland and Odo are trying to get into the King position, so the Emperor throws in the in the dark horse, Rollo. Very clever, he’s not so dumb.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=599AzvrUqo0

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      • Yes, the book deals with how the women are used as pawns in the Roman world, and how they manage to survive.
        It’s really not much different from the later world we see in the Vikings… For at the talk of how much freer and better treated Viking women were treated, that only applies to a certain extent.
        I do agree Rollo is the dark horse here and it appears that he may be stuck in the middle of those two opposing forces attempting to vie for the King’s favor, power or the crown itself… Actually, I think that might be three opposing forces? Because from the looks of it, Therese seems to have her own agenda- whether it is one of just wanting to cover all her bases and be on the winning side no matter who wins, or she has some other motive completely separate of the two men now using her.

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  20. The thing is really our Gisla in vikings will be a mix between the Rollo´s two wives; Gisla and Poppa. He met her in the siege of Paris, on the walls and in that period historically Rollo had two children already. but in the series he continues without children, so my guess is that Gisla will give children to Rollo when they reach an “agrement” lol
    In some sources that even doubt the Gisla´s true existence says that she gave at last one daughter to Rollo…so all is a little mess.

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    • Yes, I do think she is suppose to be a combination of Gisla and Poppa. I don’t think Gisla had any children- but according to one saga Rollo had a daughter with some woman in Scotland. Thankfully Hirst hasn’t tried to include that version as well!
      According to the most accepted histories, he had two children- I’m sure he probably had more- but those two were the ones that were legitimate.

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      • You might find this interesting. I just saw it today. Explico got Rollo’s dna form the source. THis is not a computer model but the actual DNA. Explico has also been trying to get the DNA from the Hauteville Crypt in Sicily too. This is the DNA of Richard 2 and Richard 1. They are getting the dna from both. My guess is that they are going to compare the mitochondrial DNA to Roger de Hauteville or Robert de Hauteville to RIchard 2. if their maternal dna matches Richard 2, then their mom was Richard’s sister. I am certain Tancred de Hauteville was not a Viking. He had an aversion to polygamy and other strange details about him, that do not match a Viking origin. Tancred met Richard on a hunting trip. Tancred killed Richard’s boar with one stroke of his sword. Richard identified him by the hilt. The book says that Richard liked Tancred instantly and hired him. Tancred went to live in Richard’s house. It mentions no wife, and then suddenly he’s married. The 22 children may have grown up in Richard’s house. The DNA from Richard 1 would be enough to confirm the DNA signature of Rollo. One of the men in our DNA project matches the expected computer model of Rollo Y dna. His documentation says he’s from a Viking possibly Rollo’s nephew, or if had another son, not William. Only one problem there is not ONE shred of any documentation to prove Rollo had any other children except William and Gerloc. The actual documentation states that Rollo did have a brother, but no nephew is mentioned. The Orkey saga was written 200 years after Dudo of ST. Quentin. http://norwaytoday.info/culture/dna-hunters-unopened-viking-grave-in-normandie/

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  21. And thus the *pouting girl* has blossomed into a *daring woman*….I don’t think the producers or writers will go according to history and have Rollo be cruel or vile to Gisla, I think he may fall deeply in love with her – deeper than that which he is in now and Gisla alike. Their love and coming together has been long awaited by fans and I think unlike history Gisla may bare Rollo many children…their love looks so pure and innocent, more emotional and raw than the love he had for Siggy.,,

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    • I haven’t seen this week’s episode yet- can’t wait to see this relationship deepen between them! Since the actual existence of Gisla is debatable anyway, I think Hirst just used her much like the original historians did- to put the positive spin on Rollo’s connections with the French. I think though, that as far as the relationship factor and even Gisla’s character strength represent more of the other wife, Poppa ! When I researched Poppa’s history, I found that she may have started out as some sort of captive nobility but she remained with Rollo for his entire lifetime and members of her family were loyal supporters of Rollo, Poppa and their descendant. I think that maybe this will be one relationship that does not end in disaster!

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    • Whoa! Just saw them take it to the next level and it was awesome! Will post my thoughts on it hopefully on Sunday when I have some extra time. My first immediate thought… this is a whole new game- this is no longer about Rollo and Paris…This is about Rollo, Gisla and the creation of a new identity for them together!

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  22. Okay just my opinion. Ragnar will soon be carrying around his mommy’s skull like Jarl Borg. He’s losing his sh*t. The Scapegoat is gone and there’s nobody to blame. Rest assured though the new scapegoat, Bjorn, is back. Rollo is smiling, relaxed enough, and happy. He will go no contact with the family. He will likely never spend time with them again. ONce in a while, he’ll wonder how they are and think it would be nice to see them, but then go oh wait, what am I saying? I am not putting up with that toxic shit anymore.

    Aslaug has to get rid of all Christians. Can’t you just see her telling that story about the dragon in the English court? People will roll their eyes. I mean, what does she really have except her mythic parents? She’s not a shield maiden. Her husband is at the point of hating her guts. Ivar likes her but nobody else does. Ubbe both his parents are crazy. Watch him. He’s listening when Aslaug offers her slave to Ragnar. Ubbe also was looking at the bruise on his mom’s face. Watch him wander around. He’s one unhappy, worried soul. He’s smart enough not to talk about it, because he’ll be the scapegoat. He tries to be quiet and remain unnoticed. I look forward to seeing him. I think he’s getting off the crazy train when he grows up.

    Now the Rollo thing: It seems so obvious to me. There is an oath to a king, but if the king dies, the oath is broken. If someone is captured in battle, the oath to your king is broken. The worst thing for a Viking is to be captured and killed, because he can’t go to Valhalla. So then Rollo does the only thing and accepts the offer he can’t refuse. He’s now made an oath to Charles. He can’t break his oath or he can’t go to Valhalla. The dipshits in the camp don’t understand it would be in their best interest to slip away in their boats at night. I guess they decide to die fighting and go to Valhalla. I don’t know if the oath was valid for them. Maybe it was valid for some, and why Rollo sacrifices the humans to save them at the end of his life???

    Okay so she asks him: who are you loyal to: your Vikings soul (he killed his men to save his Viking soul, the treaty to my father, or are you loyal to me. By giving her the ring, he is swearing a new oath to her, she’s Charles heir. THis will make the pagan fans mad but now, he has to go with her to the Christian afterlife, because if he breaks his oath, he can’t go to Valhalla. (that’s why Athelstan tossed away the ring because he couldn’t follow Ragnar to Valhalla)

    Now the court has been harassing the Princess by spreading rumors her husband doesn’t want her. I guess, Odo would like her back. Roland doesn’t like Rollo at all. He’s married but perhaps wants her the woman also. So Odo and Roland are gunning for each other. Both are gunning for the king. By having public sex in the other room, there’s no doubt that the child will be Rollo’s child. I am guessing that scene was the conception of William. It’s feast of the epiphany and the child will be born around next Christmas. Both men are going to go crazy because if the emperor adopts the baby, he could be the heir.

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