Vikings: A long held secret revealed, deleted scenes…

 

 

Before I get into the deep secret that has come to light, I feel a need to address a very serious concern of mine and of so many other American viewers.  Because of censorship and time constraints due to massive marketing and commercialism, we in the United States and some other countries do not get full uncut versions of the show. I understand some of the reasons for this and have generally accepted the editing process. I am becoming increasingly frustrated though with some of the cuts and editing of scenes that may have importance! It is also difficult to watch at times as it is becoming so obvious that we are missing chunks and pieces of the show! As I said, I accept the cuts when they are due to our lame and outdated censorship guidelines that allow for viewing of  blood baths and violence but not for any sort of sex that someone has deemed inappropriate. I also accept that our gross materialistic society demands that we pay for our viewing with massive commercial time.  My frustration and issue comes when the edits are poorly executed and involve deleting of material that may have important context or meaning to the show! If they are going to edit and cut, then they should try to do it in such ways as not cause the entire show to feel like it’s been chopped up and spliced together. This is the feeling I got when I watched the most recent episode last night. I stuck with it because I am devoted to the overall show and storyline but others, such as my daughter, have given up on trying to continue watching it. I just want to put this out on the table so that any powers that be might see this and understand that this is becoming a major frustration for viewers!  I also want other viewers who may be struggling with the same frustrated feelings to be aware of what is happening and why the show is beginning to feel disjointed!  I will try to fill in the blanks with views of deleted scenes whenever I can from this point on!

Now, on to the scene that so many people missed, but which has such important meanings in understanding Rollo’s character!

During the feast last week, there were a number of serious conversations that took place. One of those most interesting and telling conversations took place between Lagertha and Rollo.

You need to listen closely to this conversation and pay close attention to all of it because it will explain so much about Rollo and Lagertha’s past, and about Rollo’s deep depressions and feelings of failures later when he speaks to the Seer in episode 5! It also explains his resentments of his brother Ragnar more fully.

I have always wondered just what sort of relationship Lagertha and Rollo had previous to her settling with Ragnar? From the beginning there have been hints and comments made about their early relationship but much has been left unsaid about it.  After seeing this private conversation between the two, my suspicion is that clearly there was much more of a relationship than has ever been exposed. To me, this discussion speaks of an unsaid, long held secret that Bjorn is Rollo’s child, not Ragnar’s.  Of course, now my lingering feeling and wondering is of why, why did she then choose Ragnar over Rollo? Was it because at the time, she thought that Ragnar would be the better Father, the better man? She did make this remark early on to Rollo about his honor and his goodness as a man.

you're too great a warrior but perhaps not so great a man

you’re too great a warrior but perhaps not so great a man

Perhaps, in their youth, Lagertha did not trust Rollo to provide for her and a family, did not trust him to treat her well? Obviously at some point there was a competition between Ragnar and Rollo for Lagertha’s affections and Raganr won. This would of course caused Rollo much bitterness and resentment which he held inside himself.  Over the years he has often made known his feelings for Lagertha and that anything he does for his brother, he is really doing for Lagertha.

I didn't do it for him I did it for you

I didn’t do it for him I did it for you

Lagertha, nything to do with you I care about

Lagertha, nything to do with you I care about

In the beginnings, I even wondered at Ragnar’s continuing comments to Lagertha regarding his need for sons… of course it could have just meant that he needed more sons? But, to me there was always this underlying thought of  “Why are you so insistant upon this matter of a son? You have a son, does he count for nothing?” Not that Ragnar was uncaring of Bjorn, he was a good Father! And, if he ever knew a truth or had a suspicion, he did not ever voice it nor did he ever treat Bjorn not as son. No, his difficulties and animosity with Bjorn did not show up until Bjorn grew up.

And, over the years there has always been a deep bond between Rollo and Bjorn that perhaps causes Ragnar his own personal resentments if he has ever held doubts about Bjorn’s parentage. Ragnar may be Bjorn’s Father in name and title, but there has always been a deeper connection between Bjorn and Rollo.

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rollo is left with the task of attempting to help bjorn through this

rollo is left with the task of attempting to help bjorn through this

Rollo has went through life deeply troubled by so many things and they come out in this conversation with Lagerta. They speak around this secret, never come right out and admit it but they both understand what is being acknowledged.

lagertha to rollo you've looked after him as if he was your own...

lagertha to rollo you’ve looked after him as if he was your own…

rollo to lagertha speak on of this

rollo to lagertha speak on of this

rollo and lagertha

In the end there is the understanding between them, Rollo comments that perhaps it is better this way… to leave things as they are?

Perhaps it is better this way?

Perhaps it is better this way?

an agreement to remain silent on this

an agreement to remain silent on this

We might assume this is the end of the discussion, that is in the past, and that they will both go on as they were…  On the return to Kattegat though, we see that Rollo may not have been able to let go and put this in the past where it should remain? I think it haunts him and it adds to his feelings of uselessness and failure that so fill his heart. 

At first it would seem that his grief and his anguish are due just to the loss of Siggy. He is broken by her death and adds it to his list of failings and faults.

a look of confusion and disbelief at news of siggy

a look of confusion and disbelief at news of siggy

and then anger at the news

and then anger at the news

it is my fault

it is my fault. I did not treat her right

It's the truth you all know it  it is because of me

It’s the truth you all know it it is because of me

Later when he tries to drink away his anguish, his much deeper feelings come out.

rollo tries to drink away his anguish

rollo tries to drink away his anguish

the men taunt him and offer more drink

the men taunt him and offer more drink

We have all witnessed Rollo in this drunken pity me state before but this time it is different… This time the mention of  Ragnar’s name sends him into a blinding rage

The mention of Ragnar sends Rollo into a rage

The mention of Ragnar sends Rollo into a rage

He is bent on fighting everyone, not really caring whether he wins or not? He wants a fight this time, a fight to the death… his own death included. Bjorn steps in  attempt to control Rollo and save his life.

I can't let you do this   Get out of my way Bjorn

I can’t let you do this. They will kill you. Get out of my way Bjorn!

I do not want to kill you

I do not want to kill you

let them try   because it is what Rollo really wants right now  to die

let them try because it is what Rollo really wants right now to die.

Rollo and Bjorn fight for life and for death.

Rollo and Bjorn fight for life and for death

Rollo and Bjorn fight for life and for death

This fight becomes one of so much more than just Rollo’s drunken rage. Rollo wants to end his life and for some reason he has decided that is Bjorn’s right to take it? Perhaps he is so filled with guilt, remorse, anguish over his not being man enough to raise Bjorn, filled with such guilt over keeping this secret from Bjorn that in some way he feels that Bjorn should be the one to kill him, to end his life. Bjorn knows nothing of this deeper agony eating at Rollo but he does seem to understand exactly what Rollo wants him to do.

Rollo has no will to fight back.  he wants to die. End this now.

Rollo has no will to fight back. he wants to die. End this now.

bjorn watching his uncle suffer

bjorn watching his uncle suffer

Rollo’s pleas to Bjorn were, Take me, End this now…

rollo clings to bjorn in a last plea for death

Bjorn was filled with sadness at watching Rollo suffer and though he understood what Rollo wanted of him, he could not do such a thing!

bjorn feel his own deep grief at what is happening to rollo a look of grief in bjorn's eyes  he knows what his uncle wants of him

 

 

rollo comes to and realizes what he has put Bjorn through what he has asked of him

now he is filled with even more guilt at what he has just put Bjorn through.

now he is filled with even more guilt at what he has just put Bjorn through.

This event was the breaking point for Rollo. He knew that he needed some kind of help or counsel to go on from all of it.  Of course in Kattegat, when one reaches this lowest point in life, their main means of counseling involved a visit to the Seer.  Ragnar had already paid his own visit to the Seer, but his concerns were not of emotional need or distress. No, he wanted advice on the future from the Seer. He simply wanted the Seer to reassure him and give some approval of what he was already planning on anyway!

Ragnar asked the Seer of Paris… At first the Seer replied with a cryptic message that he saw the gates  Paris already here? Why… because he knew that Ragnar was already planning this- it was already set in Ragnar’s mind and nothing the Seer says is going to change his mind.

ragnar seeks advice and recieves a criptic answer that does not bode well for his future

ragnar seeks advice and recieves a criptic answer that does not bode well for his future

I don lie but sometimes I with hold things for human beings can not bear to much of reality

I don lie but sometimes I with hold things for human beings can not bear to much of reality

Not living  but the dead will conquer Paris

Not living but the dead will conquer Paris

His final comment to Ragnar was a puzzle and he gave a rather bitter and snide laugh when he told it to Ragnar.

I also see that the bear will be crowned by a princess which does not bode too well for you King Ragnar!

I also see that the bear will be crowned by a princess which does not bode too well for you King Ragnar!

 

Rollo, on the other hand, went to the Seer in true emotional turmoil. He sought wisdom and help from the Seer. Rollo was desperate for answers to ease the inner demons that have ate at him for so long. This confessional goes far beyond grief and guilt over Siggy. Rollo speaks of his entire life, of Ragnar always being the chosen one, including being chosen by Lagertha.

Why am I so angry you tell me wise one why am I so filled with this anger and bitterness

Why am I so angry you tell me wise one why am I so filled with this anger and bitterness

Rollo pours his heart out to the Seer  Ragnar is always the chosen one by Mother Father by Lagertha

Rollo pours his heart out to the Seer Ragnar is always the chosen one by Mother Father by Lagertha

I love him he is my brother. He has forgiven me, taken me back and still I am filled with bitterness and resentment of him

I love him he is my brother. He has forgiven me, taken me back and still I am filled with bitterness and resentment of him

I will tell you  it because I am useless hallowed out by failure

I will tell you it because I am useless hallowed out by failure

Nothing good can ever come of my life now

Nothing good can ever come of my life now

 

Rollo is in such pain, such emotional crisis and our hearts break for him… Suddenly the Seer bursts out laughing! Rollo very rightly and indignantly asked the Seer what he found so funny about all of this!

What is so funny what is there to laugh about in this

What is so funny what is there to laugh about in this?

The Seer was far more patient with Rollo than with Ragnar.  He did in fact reassure Rollo that there was good to come in his life!

 

Ohhh Rollo if you truly knew what the Gods have in store for you you would go to the beach and dance naked in joy

Ohhh Rollo if you truly knew what the Gods have in store for you you would go to the beach and dance naked in joy

I tell you as I told Ragnar The bear will marry a princess and you will be there in attendance to see it!

I tell you as I told Ragnar The bear will marry a princess and you will be there in attendance to see it

I tell you as I told Ragnar The bear will marry a princess and you will be there in attendance to see it

Rollo was as confused and puzzled by this message as Ragnar had been.

Rollo is as confused as Ragnar by the Seer's prophecy

Rollo is as confused as Ragnar by the Seer’s prophecy

Hopefully the odd message will be enough to carry Rollo through these hardest times and give him reason to look toward a future that will finally some day hold good things for him!

He will still carry the guilts and the secrets with him but I think his time with the Seer has given him some peace of mind and an ability to put things in their proper perspective.  It remains to be seen if he or Lagertha will ever share this secret with Bjorn?

secrets of the past

It also remains a mystery whether Ragnar does know, or hold his own suspicions of this? Such an inner doubt would account for his less than good treatment at times of Lagertha, Rollo, and even now Bjorn as an adult?

 

My last thought on all of this is, as I mentioned in the beginning, this information is such a key to both the past and the future that I think it is one that should never have been cut from our viewing!

 

 

 

 

6 thoughts on “Vikings: A long held secret revealed, deleted scenes…

  1. I was looking for deleted scenes because I felt something was missing. I don’t think that Bjorn is Rollo’s boy, because when Ragnar asked about his children to the seer. The Seer told him about Bjorn. He’s Ragnar’s boy, but I think Rollo wishes he had been his boy! Ragnar is not grateful, Athelstan even told him: Well at least you have children. That was very important in the Viking world.

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  2. Maybe Rollo is aluding to the fact that they did have a relationship, but Ragnar does not know, nor must he EVER know. She probably chose Ragnar because he was more successful than Rollo. (the Black sheep and the golden boy)

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      • You know I watched it again and I looked at their body language, he looks sad and resigned. She looks awkward embarrassed. The whole thing looks awkward. Think about it: Siggy is dead, and Ragnar has divorced Lagertha. So they could be together, Ragnar wouldn’t care, he ignores Lagertha and BJorn. Rollo pretty much tells her, I loved you all my life. He wanted Bjorn to be his son. (he’s old enough to be a grandfather in their world) She thanks him for looking after Bjorn, but when he pretty much asks how she feels, she doesn’t answer. WEll that is an answer. There’s nothing holding her back now, Ragnar is gone. Lagertha doesn’t love Rollo and never did, and never will. She doesn’t want to TELL HIM. He says, well, I guess it’s better not to say it out loud. This is why he freaked out with Siggy and started choking her. He loved Siggy she was beautiful and courageous, but she didn’t love him. She loved power and thinks he loved power too. It hurt him to see she could so casually sleep with Horik and Erlunder. But he still loved her so he couldn’t kill her. He couldn’t kill Ragnar because he loved him too. He spoke of failed love to the seer. We’ll see what happens with Gisla. She loves her father like crazy, I think. HE’s weak and ineffectual. IT’s quite dangerous for an emperor. I think Gisla will pretty much do anything to keep her father alive. ** BTW I think Ragnar loved Lagertha, but he doesn’t really care about Aslaug and never did. He wanted a lot of kids and fame. IN fact he wants fame more than anything. (I don’t think Lagertha knows what she wants)

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  3. I saw something in one of my son’s books on Viking mythology. IN that culture the father chooses a mate for a girl, if the woman is a young woman esp. There was a story that Ragnar rescued Lagertha out of a den of prostitution. Ragnar doesn’t mention that. Ragnar told little Bjorn the story about killing the bear and a hound to win Lagertha. Perhaps Lagertha liked Rollo and didn’t want to hurt his feelings and come out and tell him. Hey look your brother killed this hound and bear and it’s more than you can do, so I chose him. Maybe she lied and told him, well my dad said I had to marry him. Of course, “killing” the bear might have a symbolic meaning as Rollo is the bear. Maybe Ragnar did something dishonest(told a lie about Rollo) and by the time Lagertha found out, she was already pregnant with Bjorn. Perhaps this is why his name is Bear. She does seem to like those ambitious types: Ragnar, the jerk earl that used to beat her up, Ecbert, Kalf….

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